Could someone please explain this term and why you would not want to play a VP machine that was not %26#39;Full Pay %26#39; ?
Does it have to do with the payout tables when you win?
Thanx,
'; Full Pay '; Video poker
Yes it has everything to do with the pay tables. Every version of VP has what they call full pay. Meaning anything less is not full pay. You know this by understanding what the full pay is for a specific game then comparing it to a pay table of a game that has been changed to pay less. If you do a google search on VP or go to Bobdancer.com, you will learn more than you probably want to know about vp. good luck! Paul
'; Full Pay '; Video poker
www.wizardofodds.com is an awesome place to go look and learn about odds of video poker! You can even %26#39;practice%26#39; playing some popular types of VP machines to understand some strategy.
Many (or most or all) of the machines that are not ';full pay'; are designed to fool you. The casinos don%26#39;t just lower the payoffs across the board, but they lower some of the payoffs and raise others. It is virtually impossible for any normal human being to calculate (without a computer or a heck of a lot of paper and a pencil) how raising the payoff on one combination and lowering it on another will impact the expected value of the play. But my intuition tells me something -- the casinos are varying this for their benefit, not because they want to give back more to their valued customers!!
I started to toy around with the calculation of how the different pay tables changed the expected value of a game on a Dueces Wild Bonus game comparing it to the Dueces Wild full pay machine. I didn%26#39;t have any of the statistical breakdowns with me, and had to try to start from scratch; it was too hard, and I simply gave up, before I had finished my first page of calculations.
Most players don%26#39;t know about Full Pay, and virtually none of them know anything about the statistics of the game. So they don%26#39;t worry about it. I know about Full Pay, and I know far too much about statistics and game theory, but it is very hard to go around a casino looking at the pay-off tables on each machine, searching for a full pay machine. In one casino, I found identical machines, right next each other, one was full pay, the other was not. The full pay machine was occupied, and I got tired of checking the payoff tables long before I checked every one in the casino -- without finding a second full pay machine.
I concur that the wizardofodds site is a great place to get your education on video poker!
Full pay is great, but it is a little more than that. To achieve the full pay, you must play with perfect strategy. Knowing what to hold in every 5 card deal is critical. You can buy Bob Dancer%26#39;s strategy cards or the easier Frugal Gambler%26#39;s cards to help you. It is OK to have them in the casino with you. Wizard of odds has also added simple strategies you can print for free from his site if you want to save a few bucks.
I also suggest getting a game that teaches you strategy. There is a slots game that you can get at Best Buy ($9.99)made by Masque that has VP and teaches you strategy. You can review your errors at the end of the session.
One person suggested that there is a full pay game for every game out there. Not exactly true. Some variations of VP have their highest pay table at 98%. While that is a good pay, it is not full pay. The VP gurus out there like to view full pay as a game that with the added value of the slot club cash and comps or by itsef has a payback of 100% or more. 9/6 Jacks or better yields 99.6% by itself. Full pay Dueces pays over 100%. 10/7 Double Bonus has an over time payback of about 100.7%.
Remember, it is perfectly legal to make a cheat sheet of full pay tables for different varieties of games so you do not have to remember what paytables yield what percentage over time.
Lyle
I practice a bit with my Hoyle game. I was a bit confused as based on my personal luck over time I did better on VP than on the slots. I did not use any outlandish strategy just remembering from my old draw poker playing days.
The way people were talking about full pay machines it seemed to be that a person should never play VP unless you had found the rare FP machine. I was wondering how much of a dope I was being.
grayhorse,
Good point though - even with not perfect strategy for every hand, it is still a better venture than slots. Your money will last alot longer. By that reason though, most slot clubs do not give points at the same rate for VP play as they do slots.
Some casinos do not give comps or cashback on full pay machines either.
Lyle